Just to say thanks to Daniel, and after thinking over this situation during the day I can see what he and others dealing with the forum must have been up against. The time must have been immense. Daniel, please forgive the hurt feelings and the resentments over the fact that the variety of the international features is coming to a close. Most other forums are commercial and carry all those distracting ads. I will so miss the casual ability to share plant info and ask questions which could be researched but would take days of reading and online research to do so. Fortunately the one forum for our region will still be up, but I will feel guilty for using it, to some degree! I hope I will get over that, we want it to be used. It was a cleanly produced, easy to read, non-distracting international forum, well-divided regarding types of topics, and the task of keeping out of it the trash which crops up on the Internet must have been daunting. Too bad people are like that. Maybe one day psychologists will come up with an explanation -- is it some form of evil, beyond mere human psychology, disrupting normal life in many ways, do you think? The patience with which some experts explained things was remarkable. My questions regarding cotoneaster shrub identification was an example...how delighted I was when it finally became obvious what it was! I spent the evening looking at other forums and they are largely too lightly chatty, too commercial and glitzy, and one I came across seemed to be only for the academic specialist and one had to have verifiable qualifications to participate... but if anyone has some good alternatives please let us know. I have not been really impressed with a couple of suggestions but I will keep trying with them, one is new and getting underway.