Japanese Maple, Orangeola

Discussion in 'Maples' started by Bev, Apr 23, 2004.

  1. Bev

    Bev Member

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    Does this Japanese maple stay orange/red all summer in zone 5? If not, can anyone suggest a small (under 7ft) Japanese maple whose summer color will be orangey red. Am also looking for a small Japanese maple, light, lime-green leaf color all summer in the Northeast. Have been looking for 30 years for such trees. So glad I found this forum, perhaps my dream trees do exist somewhere.
     
  2. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Hi Bev:

    As for Orangeola, that one I've had before it was really introduced for
    sale anywhere else or to anyone else either for that matter. The pic in
    the 3rd Edition Japanese Maple book, page 186, is representative of
    the color of the true cultivar from my experience. Whether it will stay
    an orange cast during the Summer will depend more on how much
    sunlight the tree gets as opposed to your climate and growing zone.
    For me the plant has stayed a variety of colors during the summer and
    that is due to my ensuring it gets lots of sunlight and really only gets
    afternoon shade starting around 3:00 pm. I risk having some burning
    of the leaves but I do not see a strong greening out in color that this
    plant will get in dense shade or partial shade either. Will the plant
    hold its color in shade? No, it will not. If you can find the old Ruby
    Lace then you will have a nice compliment for color but Ruby Lace
    holds its color better than Orangeola does (most people in this forum
    have never seen Ruby Lace, that is not being facetious nor being
    cavalier, that is just plain fact). Another nice plant to have is "Inaba
    Shidare" grown in Oregon which is no different than Mr. Vertrees
    Oregon Garnet. Inaba Shidare here is entirely a different color, so
    was Mr. Vertrees plant of Inaba Shidare. The Oregon Garnet does
    have a nice variety of colors. The true Garnet out of Holland has
    nice colors also but it does not like wind, hot or cold here and will
    green out staring in late Spring here. If you can give it enough sun
    light my personal choice for evenness of color is Ornatum as
    you can get a pleasing growth habit, fine leaf structure and the color
    holds very well here with lots of sun. In shade it will green out also,
    like most any of the Atropurpureums will.

    Lime Green to me may be different than the shade of green you are
    looking for so that one will be tough. Then again Aoyagi to me is
    a Lime Green. The true Utsu Semi is a Lime Green. Katsura for us
    here turns a Lime Green all Summer long. If you can handle a
    darker shade of Green, Samidare has always intrigued me. If you
    would prefer a dwarf, then look for a Kiyohime or a Tamahime
    as they seem to be the most adaptable and the most grower friendly
    of the lighter green colored dwarfs.

    Jim
     
  3. graftedmaplecollector

    graftedmaplecollector Active Member 10 Years

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    if you like yellow spring color and gold fall color i find flavscens has
    a great lime green summer color that it holds well.
    the leaves also are very finely cut, I have 2 in patio tubs and 1 in a pot
    in the shade, but im in zone 8-9 so zone 5 i think would do with just afternoon
    shade, if they stay moist:)
    red/orange is a little harder..for me anyway.
    i guess it depends on the shade of red you mean, beni shi en is red/purple
    with a cream inside border on the leaves for summer. In fall its orange,
    spring rose red, brighter than the summer red.
    However its a variegated cultivar so youll get green in the summer as
    an undertone..at least I do, but my maples all need shade here at noon
    so its hard for me to always see a trees normal summer standard.
    mr shep lives closer to you so his red/orange is most likely the best choice.
    Ornatum is really a top pick for the situation.
     
  4. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Hi Graftedmaplecollector:

    Actually I think you are closer to Bev than I am. I
    live in the San Joaquin Valley of California, a strong
    zone 8 by Western Garden Book standards.

    We all have our preferences for color and leaf shape
    and Flavescens is an excellent choice for a Lime Green.
    I just do not know what Bev is looking for in a "green"
    Maple other than it having a specific color.

    Another choice for an orange-red dissectum is the
    true form of Red Select which is another Maple most
    people have not seen or know much about either.
    I will admit the history of Red Select is still in doubt
    by our Maple book authors but I know where that Maple
    originated from. I bought one for me and the misses
    about 6 years ago being Ever Reds out of Oregon but
    they are most certainly not an Ever Red. I was shocked
    to see an "old friend" for sale any where so I picked up
    4 of them in 15 gallon containers for us and two friends
    of ours.

    Jim
     
  5. graftedmaplecollector

    graftedmaplecollector Active Member 10 Years

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    yes
    Ive seen both names in a single list from another nursery man and collectors.
    Of course Ive seen it the other way around too, mostly on ebay or local nurseries.
    Having the older variety would be great since mainstream
    plants tend to be the red/purple only.
     
  6. Bev

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    Hi Jim,

    Thank you for your reply it was most helpful. It seems everywhere I look the Spring and Fall colors of the Japanese Maples are emphasized. What is important to me however is their Summer colors. Here in N.Y.S. I have never seen anything other than very dark colors and I wanted very light green and light red.
     
  7. mr.shep

    mr.shep Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Hi Bev:

    That is the beauty of Japanese Maples as we can
    always find some that will fulfill our desires for year
    round color. Sometime look in the Maple Photo
    Gallery and see if anything really appeals to you
    for color. I advise you to buy one of the Japanese
    Maple, either the 3rd Edition or the 2nd Edition
    books and spend some time thumbing through them
    looking at the wonderful assortment of photos both
    authors have provided for us. Then get some ideas
    as to which Maples you want to learn more about and
    write the names down. Then start going to nurseries
    in your area and see if you can find any of the Maples
    that you have on your list.

    Once you have a list of "possibles" then ask if
    need be what are the colors during the Summer
    and do the Maples need shade or sun in order
    for them to sustain their Summer coloring. The
    biggest limitation people place on themselves
    is that they will not ask enough questions. The
    plants are for you and you will want to be happy
    with your choices so take your time, study the pics
    and then you will have a real tough time narrowing
    your choices down to just a few plants. Also, you
    will want to determine whether you will want to
    plant these Maples in your yard or will you grow
    them in containers for a short while, then plant
    them later or grow them in containers for the
    long term. You can always respond through
    this thread and ask more questions later.

    Jim
     
  8. whis4ey

    whis4ey Well-Known Member 10 Years

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    Be careful, be careful
    These trees are VERY addictive :)
     
  9. Bev

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    Sam,

    I'm beginning to realize just how addictive JM's can be, I want to run out and buy one of each tree that the forums members have suggested.
     
  10. MtnGato

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    I recently acquired a beautiful Filigree, which is a light green dissectum made lighted by infusions of white on the leaves. It shouldn't get more than about 4-5 feet high, in case that's an issue for you.
    And yes, these trees CAN be unbelievably addictive! Vertrees' book has proved to be the most expensive book I've ever gotten .......
     

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