Maples in parks and elsewhere

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  1. Kodama05

    Kodama05 New Member

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    Hi! I try to find what Acer is it. It's in our national botanical garden. On the board is Sieboldianum Kinugasa-yama, but definitely not according to leaves.
    A forgot take more pictures (I'll make more next year) but any guessing based on that?
    I'd like it very much, but I don't know, what have I searching for.
     

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  2. emery

    emery Renowned Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    It's really hard to ID cultivars from photos. Certainly it's not 'Kinu gasa yama' -- that's how I have the spacing, but your version is just as likely -- but otherwise, it's probably some form of A. amoenum var. matsumurae.
     
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    maf Generous Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    100% agree. Definitely a matsumurae but virtually impossible to name to a cultivar level. I can't even think of any with a similar sounding name that look like that and could have been mixed up. Could also be a rootstock that took over if the graft died.
     
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  4. AlainK

    AlainK Renowned Contributor Forums Moderator Maple Society 10 Years

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    Went back to "Arboretum des Grandes Bruyères" today. Splendid.
    A few maples in the "Japanese garden" section.
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    This one is labelled "Acer sieboldianum" : I strongly doubt that it is.
    The samaras are all red, OK, but it looks more like a matsumurae. What do you think ? Any suggestion ?


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    There are many other maples that I didn't bother to photograph (A. davidii, A. tataricum, A. trifolium still green, A. buergerianum, etc.) but there are two in the "American section that were displaying great colours.

    I don't know what the 1st one is, but I'm pretty sure it's a maple (opposed leaves). A very light yellow, seldom seen here. Any suggestion ?

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    And what members here helped me identify lat year, Acer x freemanii :

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    Can't see it too well but possibly Acer cappadocicum 'Aureum' ?
     
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    AlainK Renowned Contributor Forums Moderator Maple Society 10 Years

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    I don't think so, and it was in the section "America".
    I should have taken a photo of the leaves on the ground, they looked more like Acer saccharum...
     
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    emery Renowned Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    It looks like A. amoenum to me, clearly not sieboldianum.

    The light yellow one looks like saccharinum, the silver maple.
     
  8. AlainK

    AlainK Renowned Contributor Forums Moderator Maple Society 10 Years

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    Hi Emery,

    I meant amoenum, and I think you're right about the A. sccharum too...
     
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    AlainK Renowned Contributor Forums Moderator Maple Society 10 Years

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    Yesterday, I went to a meeting against antisemitism in Orléans. Before getting back, I walked in the streets of the "old Orléans" to take photos of "half-timbered houses" (most of them 18th-19th century, a few of them older).
    In the early nineteen-eighties, I rented a small flat in a street facing the Loire (top window in the first photo).

    Across the street, there was a car-park, atop a cubic concrete block that was used as a kind of wholesale market.
    About 20 years ago, a cinema was built inside, and a restaurant above (excellent ! I had a meal there a couple of years ago). The parking lot was turned into a kind of park, but I had never been there until yesterday.

    My! There are big trees, and even a vegetable garden with herbs (various thyme, mints, etc.) and even a row of Acer palmatum and a multi-trunk cork-oak.

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    I must visit again in the spring, and I'll post more photos...

    PS : a photo from the top of this park, towards the Loire :

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  10. AlainK

    AlainK Renowned Contributor Forums Moderator Maple Society 10 Years

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    Back to the "Parc Floral" in Orléans-La Source. I took a season ticket, only 17 €, really worth it.

    They have a kind of "Japanese-like" spot, with maples and "niwaki" of pines and junipers, none of them labelled.
    Dissectums, atropurpureum of some kind and Shirasawanum (probably 'Aureum') :

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    A couple of potted one that doesn't fare as well as those in the ground. Among them, this one that might be a 'Katsura' (?) :

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    Further on in the park, there's an impressive Acer palmatum 'Dissectum' , so the tag says. It must be very old, at least 1m50 x 3 m. The trees behind are a Shirasawanum 'Aureum', an Acer buergerianum, and behind it an Acer buergerianum 'Geessink' taht is just putting out new leaves.
    I took another picture from an other side, the weeping Fagus adds a dimension to it :

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    Among those I had never photographed before, this one that showed string orange colours against the backdrop of dark green conifers :

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    And :

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    Definitely a good deal Alain. Looks a lovely relaxing place to visit..
     
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    AlainK Renowned Contributor Forums Moderator Maple Society 10 Years

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    Yeah...
    I came back home "knackered" after only a 2-hour walk.
    Soon 69, my lungs "reward" me of 50 years of heavy smoking, but my back is much better now after my operation, I don't feel any pain in my legs or in my back. So, it was a very good day. ;-)
    And all the scents, the perfumes in the air were so soothing...
     
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    GardenCycles Well-Known Member Maple Society

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    Alaink you live in a beautiful country and take great photographs of the landscape. I've watched the tour de france every year since 2003 and have always love images of the French county side. I hope to travel there one day.
     
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    emery Renowned Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    Really pretty, and for sure worth the subscription, what a good deal.

    I am suffering from severe label envy. They're dropping some serious money on labels! Beautiful, and I bet they look good forever.

    I can find no reference anywhere to A. buerg. 'Geessink'. It could be a misspelling, but not finding even anything close. Since you're a member, can you find out about it? Or does anyone else know? (At least they don't call it A. trifidum, that's progress).

    Not progress on the A. campestre front, though, which the French insist is called A. campestris in spite of every botanical publication. I have a large Red Shine, it's a lovely maple with very showy samaras. If prone to botrytis. The only thing is, it's not very red unless used in a hedge, that is, cut back regularly. Would be fabulous in a hedge, but less interesting as a free standing tree.

    Thanks for sharing Alain, glad the lungs held up. -E
     
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    AlainK Renowned Contributor Forums Moderator Maple Society 10 Years

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    There must have been some kind of mix-up because I found a reference to Acer campestre 'Geessink' :

    https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/165952/acer-campestre-geessink/details

    I'll visit the park again in a couple of weeks, and see what the leaves look like when fully developped.
    Maybe I'm wrong but I think the trunks (about 10-12 cm in diameter) look rather smooth for a buergerianum...
     
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    emery Renowned Contributor Maple Society 10 Years

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    That must be it. Doesn't seem to be a very widespread cultivar, but I do get a few hits.
     

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