Thoughts on cultivar?

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  1. Kyle Bakker

    Kyle Bakker New Member

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    I saw this at a nursery today and was amazed by the leaf habit. It was labeled as a Crimson Queen, but it was unlike all the ones surrounding it. The leaves not only are bigger, but grow in more of a clumping pattern (like a Mikawa). It was also more greened out than the other Crimson Queens (and the other "red" laceleafs there like Tamukeyama, etc.). It's like a Mikawa, a laceleaf, and a linearilobum had a baby. Thoughts on what this cultivar could be?

    Very unique looking tree that I have to convince my wife to let me buy (already bought too many this year, lol).
     

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    My bet is that it is indeed a Crimson Queen, and the differences you're seeing can be explained by a variety of factors that that individual specimen is experiencing (sun exposure, watering, soil quality, stress, rootbound-ness, etc). And I would also therefore bet that if you bought this tree and a few of the others, planted them in the ground next to each other and gave them identical care, in a few seasons they would all look the same.

    But maybe it is something weird or mislabeled! I certainly have seen such things in the past.
     
  3. dicky5ash

    dicky5ash Generous Contributor Maple Society

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    My crimson queen has dark bark on both the trunk and branches..that one seems to have green bark…although hard to tell from the photos..I’ve also never seen my one with green leaves, always red even in a very shaded position. There are so many dissectums..looks a bit like my Ellen..See what colour it goes in the Autumn
     
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    Possibly Acer palmatum 'Dissectum Palmatifidum'. It has this thick dissected leaves 'almost non-dissected look' on the older leaves but much finer dissected leaves on the newer leaves.

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  5. Kyle Bakker

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    The leaf itself, and habit, looked very different than the others, which is why I was thinking it may be something else. In the third picture you can see a standard Crimson Queen leaf in my hand in comparison to this oddball.

    That said, you could be right. We all know that the conditions/environment they grow in can have a big impact on the tree.
     
  6. Kyle Bakker

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    I've seen some green on Crimson Queens in my area in heavy shade, but never this green. Mine gets a lot of sun, so it's not a good comparison to this one. The growth habit on this one is what I find really intriguing. Its form isn't like any laceleaf I own nor was it like any other at the nursery.
     
  7. Kyle Bakker

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    This looks like a real possibility. The older leaves in the pic definitely resemble what I'm seeing. Not seeing much info out there on this cultivar. Do you know anything else about it?
     
  8. dicky5ash

    dicky5ash Generous Contributor Maple Society

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    This is Ellen, not great photos but it has a funny clumpy leaf growth habit
     

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    This looks like a real possibility. It definitely looks more like this than a Crimson Queen. The fall color will be informative once the time comes on of it is an Ellen or not. Thanks for your input.
     
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