I finally found seeds on a maple witches' broom. I found 6 fat (no empty seed pod) seeds on my acer circinnatum 'WB Hoyt' the other day. The tree is a classic witches broom with short internodes and foreshortened spatulate center leaf lobes. I have never found a seed on a palmatum wb although a friend Billy Schwartz, whom I call the 'father of witches' brooms' since he discovered 'Shaina', 'Daniel', 'Matthew', 'Royle', 'Jerre Schwartz'\ (all named for his family members), tells me he has seen seeds on wb's. Outside of humans grafting them, how do palmatum wb's pro- pagate if they produce few if any seeds? A brilliant plant geneticist friend who is very much into maples told me that he believes maple wb's remain sexually immature and so do not produce flowers/seeds (the exception, of course, proves the rule) so I am asking forum members to keep an eye out for wb flowers/seeds and to share information/stories on such. Please make sure the tree is a definite wb; I have a forum friend who found seeds on his "wb" but the leaves do not look like a wb to me and I have 1 of his grafted trees and it is not a wb in my opinion. Please let me know if any of you have seen seeds on a wb? Thank you.